Sunday, February 2, 2014
A Note from Roger Waters - February 1, 2014
Mr. Roger, starts his letter... In the past days I have written privately to Neil Young (once) and to Scarlett Johansson (a couple of times). Those letters will remain private. Sadly, I have received no reply from either. And so I write this note on my Facebook page somewhat in bewilderment.
Mr. Waters keeps writing:
"I am not going to attempt to list, either those laws(they are on the statute book in the Knesset for all to research) or all the other grave human rights abuses of Israeli domestic and foreign policy. I would run out of space. But, to return to my friend Scarlett Johansson." Scarlett, I have read your reposts and excuses, in them you claim that the Palestinian workers in the factory have equal pay, benefits and "Equal rights". Really? Equal Rights? Do they.....?
And Last But Not Least...
Mr. Waters - Ignorance Will Kill You!
In the end of the letter, Mr. Waters comes with a list of questions, which if he knew the reality of Human Rights in Israel, he would have the right answers:
* Do they have the right to vote? * Do they have access to the roads? * Can they travel to their work place without waiting for hours to pass through the occupying forces control barriers? * Do they have clean drinking water?
* Do they have sanitation? * Do they have citizenship? * Do they have the right not to have the standard issue kicking in their door in the middle of the night and taking their children away? * Do they have the right to appeal against arbitrary and indefinite imprisonment? * Do they have the right to re-occupy the property and homes they owned before 1948? * Do they have the right to an ordinary, decent human family life?
* Do they have the right to self determination? * Do they have the right to continue to develop a cultural life that is ancient and profound? If these questions put you in a quandary I can answer them for you. The answer is, NO, they do not. The workers in The Soda Stream Factory do not have any of these rights.
Roger Waters Note on Facebook
Poster Note: No wonder why Neil Young and Scarlett Johansson didn't reply to your hypocrisy - They are bigger than you! Why do the best musicians in the world also think they are the best politicians? Who do you think you are, Mr. Waters? You are a great musician, but a little man!
Mr. Waters, if you need attention so badly, you got some, here are some replies from your fans:
* Noten Brook - Ben Red
Mr. Waters, Music is supposed to act as a bridge between people and cultures and not create a gap between them. Your attitude doesn't help to break the wall, it only makes it higher. The impression you make is that you're not really interested in bringing peace and co-existence in the Middle East and that's too bad because many of us here are… Maybe you've succeeded in convincing Pearl Jam not to come here, because you're sort of a "father figure" for them, but Neil Young is not a child and he will be here because he knows that music lovers are the same anywhere in the world.
* Dror Nahum
Roger is not building bridges towards peace either. only Hate. "Love and only love will break it down" (Neil young) i'm so sad for you Roger.
* Nimrod Goldstein
Hello Roger, I am an Israeli that loves your music and I tend to read your posts every time. I might not agree with them, but I respect your opinion. I don't think you understand the situation in Israel, but I'll leave that aside. You talk about Israel in 3 of your last 5 posts. Do you think that Israel is the source to all of the worlds problems? In the last 2 years, more than 100,000 people were killed in Syria. About 20,000 civilians were killed in Iraq in the last 3 years. I'm not sure that you're aware to this, but in the last 70 years in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, 15,000 people were killed on both sides.
* Kelly Levy
Roger, your are known for very selective "Human Rights activism" (Syria, China and many other countries do not exist in your surreal map) - the true cause surfaces along with your hypocritical and uneducated stance.
Is Israel really the biggest problem in the world right now?!? what about Syria? what about the Palestinians that live in Gaza under Hammas control? You know nothing about the conflict.
Both, Israelis and Palestinians have the right to live in peace. Send your complains to Hammas, Iran and Hezbollah that funding terrorist attacks here. And if you really feel the need to criticize more, i suggest you'll criticize your own country and government that colonized half of the world and left it in a mess. Is that mean nobody should play in the U.K???
BTW: if you are wondering why there is a wall between us and them. you can call us psychos but we don't like to ride a bus and to explode. * Yoav Arden Each and every time I hear from you - you lose a bit more dignity. I, who spent 400$ to sit close and watch you take down the 'hatred' wall on stage. Now, I can go online and watch you bleed to death in order to build it up again. But it's only around yourself. You, who got spit on by a fan than wrote an album, now you spit in ours and think it's all well and good.
Do not get me wrong, you are entitled and even expected to have an opinion, and as Voltaire once said - I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it. But don't force yourself on people with different opinions than yours, it's unbecoming and disrespectful. You are a Smart Englishman, I don't have to tell you that you're own country forced herself on other parts of the world.
Remember it every time you play a show in Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Canada, and Ireland... (To simplify it for you - The British Empire has had Military Presence in more than 150 countries) Please, keep your thoughts to yourself, it's more honorable.
"Companies do business in China, which imprisons dissidents by the thousands. Companies trade with Bangladesh, where workers in dangerous factories have died by the hundreds. Only Israel, which protects basic human and civil and economic rights, is forbidden territory."
With a strong, clear stand — calmly citing “fundamental difference of opinion” — Johansson becomes the highest-profile celebrity to buck the load of BDS bull. Ever more power to her, and to those who may follow her example.
NY Daily News
A Response to Mr. Roger Waters
Uri Silberman Roger Waters, since Scarlett Johansson has the good sense not to answer your pitiful letter to her begging her to hate Israel like you do, I will answer the questions you posed, not for your benefit (because I believe your hatred has blinded you of the real facts), but for those who are genuinely unaware of the following facts:
Q: Do they have the right to vote?
A: Yes they do, they vote for their Palestinian leadership. In the previous elections, they voted for Hamas, an internationally recognized terrorist organization. Israeli Arabs can vote in the Israeli Knesset.
Q: Do they have access to the roads?
A: Absolutely! I drive through Samaria every single day, and trust me, it's FULL of Palestinian drivers.
Q: Can they travel to their work place without waiting for hours to pass through the occupying forces control barriers?
A: The Israeli barriers have one purpose only. To prevent Palestinian terrorists from entering Israeli and Jewish towns and murdering it's citizens. A day doesn't go by without a Palestinian being caught at one of these barriers with some sort of weapon. How many lives do you think have been saved because of these barriers? Countless! So with all due respect, I think saving lives takes priority over someone having to wait while being checked at one of these barriers. Or perhaps you don't think that Jewish lives are worth as much as Palestinian time? Perhaps you think that Jews don't have rights to live?
Q: Do they have clean drinking water?
A: Yes they do. I know a lot of Palestinians, and they all have drinking water. And I'm not just referring to those Palestinians who illegally tap into the national water system.
Q: Do they have sanitation?
A: Why don't you ask the Palestinian Authority who's responsibility it is to take care of Palestinian sanitation?
Q: Do they have citizenship?
A: Yes they do, most have Palestinian citizenship, some have dual Jordanian/Palestinian, and others have yet other Arab countries' citizenship, not to mention Palestinians withIsraeli citizenship.
Q: Do they have the right not to have the standard issue kicking in their door in the middle of the night and taking their children away?
A: Anyone who deals with terrorism should and can be arrested. I assume that is who you are referring to, right? Terrorists? I can assure you that a very large majority of Palestinians have not had their doors kicked in and their children taken away. Additionally, if I, as an Israeli Jew, was to harm anyone in a violent matter as Palestinian terrorists do, my door would also get kicked in and I would be put in Jail. I think anyone in any country in the world faces these same conditions if they were to carry out violent attacks against someone.
Q: Do they have the right to appeal against arbitrary and indefinite imprisonment?
A: Of course they do. All Palestinian and Jewish prisoners are afforded an attorney, either one that they have paid for, or one that is appointed to them by the State if they can't afford one. And can we also mention at this point that Palestinian prisoners who serve jail sentences for terrorism in Israeli jails live in conditions that prisoners in Palestinian Authority jails could only dream of?
Q: Do they have the right to re-occupy the property and homes they owned before 1948?
A: Considering that Jews are the ones that were expelled from this land over around 2000 years ago, do we have this right in your opinion? The Palestinians who built homes on this land have built them on top of ancient Jewish towns and villages.
Q: Do they have the right to an ordinary, decent human family life?
A: Every human being should have this right. I wonder what their lives would have been like had the Palestinians accepted the numerous peace offers over the years that Israel has offered. It started in 1947 with their rejection of the UN Partition Plan, and continued in 1967 (Khartoum), 2000 (Camp David), 2001 (Taba), 2008 (Olmert offer), 2012 (Current negotiations).
Q: Do they have the right to self determination?
A: This is covered by the answer above. The question that needs to be asked is if that's what they really want? Don't you think that they should have accepted one of the above mentioned peace offers if they were really interested in self determination? Or perhaps they have far greater ambitions? Like ALL of Israel?
Q: Do they have the right to continue to develop a cultural life that is ancient and profound?
A: So Palestinian cultural life is ancient and profound, huh? Just how ancient is Palestinian culture in your opinion?
Here are a few more questions that you can answer:
* That might give us an idea of how ancient they are:
* When was Palestine founded and by whom?
* What were its borders?
* What was its capital?
* What were its major cities?
* What constituted the basis of its economy?
* What was its form of government?
* Can you name at least one Palestinian leader before Arafat?
Uri Silverman - CEO of The Israel Network
Mr. Waters, too bad you are flashing your wonderful career down the toilet. Too bad you dirt the name of Pink Floyd Team, but no worries, Mr. Waters, we already know why David Gilmore is better musicians AND better man than you!!!
More Quotes About "Palestine"
"There is no such country as Palestine. 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented. There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria. 'Palestine' is alien to us. It is the Zionists who introduced it".
- Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, Syrian Arab leader to British Peel Commission, 1937 -
"There is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not".
- Professor Philip Hitti, Arab historian, 1946 -
"It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but Southern Syria".
- Representant of Saudi Arabia at the United Nations, 1956 -
Concerning the Holy Land, the chairman of the Syrian Delegation at the Paris Peace Conference in February 1919 stated:
"The only Arab domination since the Conquest in 635 c.e. hardly lasted, as such, 22 years".
"There is not a solitary village throughout its whole extent (valley of Jezreel, Galilea); not for thirty miles in either direction... One may ride ten miles hereabouts and not see ten human beings. For the sort of solitude to make one dreary, come to Galilee... Nazareth is forlorn... Jericho lies a mouldering ruin... Bethlehem and Bethany, in their poverty and humiliation... untenanted by any living creature... A desolate country whose soil is rich enough, but is given over wholly to weeds... a silent, mournful expanse... a desolation... We never saw a human being on the whole route... Hardly a tree or shrub anywhere. Even the olive tree and the cactus, those fast friends of a worthless soil had almost deserted the country... Palestine sits in sackcloth and ashes... desolate and unlovely...".
- Mark Twain, "The Innocents Abroad", 1867 -
"In 1590 a 'simple English visitor' to Jerusalem wrote: 'Nothing there is to bescene but a little of the old walls, which is yet remayning and all the rest is grasse, mosse and weedes much like to a piece of rank or moist grounde'.".
- Gunner Edward Webbe, Palestine Exploration Fund,
Quarterly Statement, p. 86; de Haas, History, p. 338 -
"The land in Palestine is lacking in people to till its fertile soil".
- British archaeologist Thomas Shaw, mid-1700s -
"Palestine is a ruined and desolate land".
- Count Constantine François Volney, XVIII century French author and historian -
"The Arabs themselves cannot be considered but temporary residents. They pitched their tents in its grazing fields or built their places of refuge in its ruined cities. They created nothing in it. Since they were strangers to the land, they never became its masters. The desert wind that brought them hither could one day carry them away without their leaving behind them any sign of their passage through it".
- Comments by Christians concerning the Arabs in Palestine in the 1800s -
"Then we entered the hill district, and our path lay through the clattering bed of an ancient stream, whose brawling waters have rolled away into the past, along with the fierce and turbulent race who once inhabited these savage hills. There may have been cultivation here two thousand years ago. The mountains, or huge stony mounds environing this rough path, have level ridges all the way up to their summits; on these parallel ledges there is still some verdure and soil: when water flowed here, and the country was thronged with that extraordinary population, which, according to the Sacred Histories, was crowded into the region, these mountain steps may have been gardens and vineyards, such as we see now thriving along the hills of the Rhine. Now the district is quite deserted, and you ride among what seem to be so many petrified waterfalls. We saw no animals moving among the stony brakes; scarcely even a dozen little birds in the whole course of the ride".
- William Thackeray in "From Jaffa To Jerusalem", 1844 -
"The country is in a considerable degree empty of inhabitants and therefore its greatest need is of a body of population".
- James Finn, British Consul in 1857 -
"The area was underpopulated and remained economically stagnant until the arrival of the first Zionist pioneers in the 1880's, who came to rebuild the Jewish land. The country had remained "The Holy Land" in the religious and historic consciousness of mankind, which associated it with the Bible and the history of the Jewish people. Jewish development of the country also attracted large numbers of other immigrants - both Jewish and Arab. The road leading from Gaza to the north was only a summer track suitable for transport by camels and carts... Houses were all of mud. No windows were anywhere to be seen... The plows used were of wood... The yields were very poor... The sanitary conditions in the village [Yabna] were horrible... Schools did not exist... The rate of infant mortality was very high... The western part, toward the sea, was almost a desert... The villages in this area were few and thinly populated. Many ruins of villages were scattered over the area, as owing to the prevalence of malaria, many villages were deserted by their inhabitants".
- The report of the British Royal Commission, 1913 -